OK seven thirty recall the meeting to order. Before we go to.
Meet Lynn L.L.C. We do have a small hearing. There were go to first take
a few moments and this is here I go Park the site plan modification. Prince Peter
Arnell park to request
a modification the site plan approval granted on September twenty fourth two
thousand and sixteen the modification includes the installation of the wood green
shade structure adjacent to the tennis courts to stage the sheet structure of the
ten by ten with an eight foot head clearance no walls proposed structure would be
supported by six six by six pressure treated corner post to country footing.
With that will go to the applicant just tell us quickly and. You know
what I'd like to go in
a tank full sanitation is the the the reason we reason we want this.
Case is. Freefall but we have the high school fabrication folks are.
Off to do the work for us we supply the. French people right back with why the
supply. Flies and we have data doing. A lot of parts
right is what we do in the supervision of the fabrication kits from the high school
as well as talking real an. Instructor and. They have they
have
a window of opportunity time wise to get it done now so would like to. See it's
a good approach to get it done and it's going to get us to this White House right
next to the tennis courts but it's also going to serve for all of the other fitness
activities and the fact is we have no structure what so. And
most of the hard to get things up about seventy six I mean excuse me excuse me one
conversation was about side. Heights which is with the tennis courts the basketball
court the fitness center of the fitness area is the. Street hockey area.
It covers about ten acres so the seventeen The topic is the city of the property
and we have no shade at all so I mean it's really it's
a necessary thing and if you can see it think in the people's will quote It's. The
dermatology institute the astute term apology the one out of five. Americans
American life. Will contract skin cancer but want to get ahead of this thing and
that's the reason for. The efficacious patient in
a leader not known to the board has to done so and if I myself cannot sorry but
chairman of the present. And you're just here asking the board to determine
a decision minor modification correct. Carry on me. No there's nothing
really change in this I don't really see any major about it that I was OK. On the
commotion and we proved this is
a minor modification to hear Second for those in favor of it all said thank you
very much thank you. For you.
OK. This we're here for the continued Harry.
Maitland Hello C.
And as
a we talked about the last time tonight just going to be the applicant presenting
their petition we do have two other nights reserved for the series the next
hearing will be peer review in the their hearing will be when we hear from the
general public so we'll ask that you. Reserve your questions and then please read
them. Down. But will try to get this I know this is sometimes these can be
emotional pointy beasts but when try to get this to this is quick it's meanest
distantly as possible and. Asked that you don't interrupt anyone let me
finish you don't interrupt anyone while they're speaking. OK So
tonight's the app you had
a question service last maybe you said tonight. Here you would usually hear
from the residents No never said that that's the third hearing. So it was made very
clear December thirteenth So OK it's that way but actually what's happening is you
know what sir we're not getting the chance to say anything until you've already
made up your money don't I say so we're going to the applicants you're interrupting
the meeting we're going to go to the applicant and watch you present distribution
present as to what you want to. Want to do. My name's there and very integrated
something to be run from. The existing parts of the
parcel. And before you Mr GRAEF we're going to speak up
you've seen the notices from the other boards one being from. The
P.W.
It's good to be in from that's dated October sixth two thousand and sixteen and that
the one Angus Jennings Town Council from two thousand and three. One from the Board
of Health September twentieth two thousand and sixteen. And then one from the
Planning Board October fourth two thousand and sixteen he was made aware of those.
All right. You may wear those today OK all of them the ones that you
would just present in your presentation let you go through but if you could try to
address I mean I know you've got. Today some of the concerns would also. Access in
Mr Crocker Cino talks about some agreements on the sites with the town and other
entities those agreements because of thing one had restricted on certain uses I
have had
a chance to see you read all of this something to do and it. Will do it at the end
once you go but it will be fun. But won't you go to your presentation then we'll
deal with these letters. And you can speak up so everyone can hear it if I do it
from here that way everyone. Existing out of five of the
parcel shown here.
Says
a lot he twelve asked when I'm going to Syria to. You resides in the residential
are one's own district and the water resource section district. But parcels
currently used use is vacant and I'm used. For only
a gravel pit. There are no weapons on this site. Such as the are trying to.
Access this thing right away. So here it connects the parents to me.
They have written the book The Mission is nineteen percent so that's nice for you
to break
a. Hundred twenty four parking spaces close. To where I want to three
spaces for you to. Access for the post is the same axis I
pointed out with the parents I have this. Site distance from that access is
five hundred twenty five feet to the southwest you know what that are. And eight
hundred twenty five North West would be. Worth way.
Thank you why driveway posed with
a chair around. At the end. That's just five trucks.
Delivering me.
Separating it from both of them was
a lot elevation sixty six if they should be. Going
to use the snow here it's designed to like the drainage from the entire right way
the entire site. And that is the allegation fifty six. Long weeks seven border
elevation one ten. North. East this
site to be constructed the way for close. To one hundred twenty five thousand cubic
yards of gravel me tell. Me.
Where the utility. Yes. The site will be service with
gas water all active. In the roadway. Here
it will be off topic system. Which for
a lot of wealth for the site is six out of six or ninety five per day is
distributed into the system again six thousand six hundred ninety for
a day to distribute it into the system. Breakdown is one yes it is
huge and we will still have to see what the.
Wire waivers. For exactly the waivers we seek ways to I use the one family
to family in the goings on of our one family to the growing. It's
a lot with zero for to. See to wave to allow one to which in family wealthy elite
will instead be distracting
a lot I think six or seven. Article that I. Get
seeks
a waiver from this article about one family to family and multiple family well why
are you. Articles article ten Yeah it takes away from
this article to try you just in to grab
a little. Article eleven twelve fifteen twenty see we
are going to allow the move will grab. Any questions and.
OK still asking for an office you know.
You hear what's the rationale about an office in
a residential area which gives some of the some rash what can be seriously
apartments so you want to. Thank you.
He asked me what the rationale for our face in
a residential setting would be and I said if I could set
a good rant in
a party you would go to the front office direct that I. Could be rented out to
anyone else in the city the property manager correct he rented out to other
entities. These the four hundred twenty five cubic
feet. Your house yard start. Going to be mean this is basically to
be able to bowl. No not
a whole. The site. Name very few making below. Well I
saw some sixty six down fifty six here and one can see if the ball is the site will
be the bulk of the duration so it will mean. Which is typical in when you know so.
It's actually booked it to be. Two feet higher than
a moderate. Very feet so sixty four it will go up to well with
D.P.W. Wanted their elevation sixty six so probably one that was part of
a settlement agreement lawsuit settled. Then of course probably next
what to build
a. Five. Foot ten feet by. And
. How is this he talked about you know French How is this his property
accessible on site how is it accessed in public way over there right away.
Very. Very good to have I mean here up twenty foot driveway. And back and
say. Well. The Whose land is the right away over
to the applicant. To. Keep it.
And. That he selected to be the town as before.
Now. Because I didn't realize in see this till. Today but
Mr Prophet you know talked about certain agreements that were in your letter with
Mr Sullivan from Mr Sullivan. Specifically. That there's
a reference to a fifty one fifteen point one acres in
a separate room with the town of marsh built. You know what it. Does not exist you
know as far as I know they have I have an agreement with. If you go you go by the
five guys. Can you submit that to the copy that to the board.
Remember you were not co-counsel has. To maybe with the town doesn't
mean we have
a case of. That. And then he also talked about these are these two consider jumped
on me about
a restriction. On one parcel and the one six
a surprise was recently subdivided into one acre parcel sold off for single family
home builders referring to. The six the. Northern
property was six point one acres I think. That was subdivided and
a single house left was. Built on grocery so the balance of the land is
what the D.P.W.
That's the area circling right there yes. That's the one account slot there.
OK. And that property to the west of that body. But.
She have an option on that. Would you say you have an option I'm selling it to do
your selling. Actually that got approved town meeting. You.
Want to hear but as opposed to. Know there's some.
Different things that pull D.P.W. S.
That you and myself. But we're. Working on the roadway coming in together you have
to. Get rid of some of the rage issues that are coming from the salt yet.
This is also some habitat restoration it's being done on the five acres that D.P.W.
And myself will be benefiting from.
They. Have to be. You get copies of the various
memos from the one doctor for what he did get and yeah we just found out that he
did they were. Did you put them on the website run. By.
You. Who put them up on the sea do you believe that the system they were originally
in they read we have a we have this
a six Yeah we had this you know it's all right. How much time do you need to look
at these and respond to them and take this person but I mean we still have it very
much still get. It where it gets
a little bit later but I'm just as far as this because they raised reading go
through each one and today I know I was I numbered
a couple concerns I have but I think it's wasting our time if I'm asking questions
and I think that she's going off the cuff right now so. How much how much time do
you have to look at this to be able to respond Well maybe yes maybe. No
no exactly yeah yeah. She could have
a twenty nine people be able to she vanished. Definitely need to sit down
town council and see what he wants to put together for. You guys for that.
Specific ones that we address first if we can get mail or something there but we'll
give you copies do you have copies I have copies but I just don't know which ones
but every comment on every sinew numbered
a couple. Well each have appealed to me in
a different book may or may not be as different so I guess it's just
a matter of getting familiar with them and be able to address any and I question.
The way to get what you guys. Is that we could definitely see. I have led
some with. But right pocket you know some of those agreements you know over
restriction. And others go first and then no.
One would bring it up it's landlocked just to press that point is try.
To. See it start. The Planning Board has a. As
a bunch of them but the waivers try to. Read I can. Just feel much like you
to address because they're specifically. Talked about in the grave as you're asking
for. And then the Board of Health for the nitrogen loading
rig and it's in a slow. Looks like it's
a pretty steep slope going to have. Been it talked about some erosion.
In his and that's his that's the September twenty eighth two thousand and sixteen
you know he actually got. Back on the soccer field to work with. The
whole critical method of going slopes as we move you know that here because D.P.W.
Also was very concerned slopes and erosion it's it's all same level there.
Is. No. Site next door so right now.
That's pitching east to west so I'm not getting any water now we can go on
Walgreen's that's
a wonderful slope is thirty acres of. That within six months to stabilize which
is
a. Great thing I'm just trying to grasp as to highly. Some of you know some of the
things I think I also know stressor of the nitrogen issue so if you have planned
a smidge of war with Syria sucker. You can get to the border to get here so no
please don't assume that because you presented some oh yes no doubt you know that
there are so many and this is
a lot of us are actually. Going to come up again with a go that has
a fifty thousand dollars foot done by would cover.
Skulls of every kid if you can get that what's there and then afterwards you
something else but actually it's got to do. With
so adept you're going to. This proposal at the same depth you're going to stop the
field search on this. One cites I.
Will say. That. I think the other the other polls it was five hundred twenty five
thousand. Were brought up a lot it had to go. With
a deal to be. So it was brought about. Knocked Up and.
With that. Comparison being able to get it
back would again in
a couple of very section carry street. And
considering the very street just a small. Not very wide street it's not
a ninety degree angle intersection. And it coming off right right.
When the other is you should have traffic. A huge
a major issue and I didn't see anything in your presentation as to what the traffic
one was going to be and not only for the once it still gets built but typically
would grow. To the trucks taking the girls. That will be going so well.
I understand it still very street is
a very small minded street so I think it would probably want to see something on
that test track. If there was actually you know the state.
Condition. Traffic study said. OK Again right so if you have anything that
traffic in the submit to the crowd war. For soccer fields or when you are in from
the Selectmen. You know Yemen's information is not is not
a good idea no I guess so. The more you can give us the better we can have as far
as. Questions are not. In the area the question that was raised by Iraq we just
tend to agree with I know it's not a street. OK here's
a driveway but you've got forty units but what is the number sixty
one seventy one occupants. This is
a sixty bedroom so yes I can remember next month and my package. He's
the width of twenty feet really adequate for. Two way traffic that that volume
of traffic. As opposed to twenty four feet and that's one of the questions they ask
. Keep it up he did
a planning what I think is going to. Reach him. He.
Will do so so again few would I was searching for that document yet I think it was
a plink with that said. A ROW It was
a road would have to be twenty four feet. It's not a road it's a driveway but it's
a designed it is
a fairly long driveway and then the full. If it is designed for twenty feet and so
the question in my mind was ever the planing as to why I wouldn't get
a twenty four feet to make it a little bit easier for B.
It was going into
a trap. To contradict this isn't the planning board standard the inner
streets determination No they simply just because of this they say it is they
thought it would be
a take to get here they said. Is it is it twenty
feet with Berman and so on. The states actually starting to drain
through a vegetative filter strip on the street
a little bit facing because. There are no barriers on the on the pavement the
say is designed to drain into
a filter strip but I was just in then into the basin. For MOST lot of the whole
site sloped approximate two percent so he thought that what I can get to that
because. I said one thing could you go over the architecture
type of different homes you would have here.
Yeah that would appear. As an email to me. To
actually get it on the website to your website.
Where. For you. Good is going to go in the but.
That's. What the applications and plans.
The whole application would you be consulting just want to be very on their.
This is what we.
Are.
Here to do to. You on this house here was so we had
a bit more light on this but this is pretty much what we look at the house what
we're going to end up with. This is when we have
a design for fifty eight units. The.
Vinyl siding. CORBOY. Black believes. It's.
That was that was actually that we get that money before you go. But it's pretty
much all the same. Get more images on this for me to show. You what
I'm stuck in some areas of life like this you know the other one when you look at
it on the computer. Shows a much better picture with us. You know it is
a different color slide that I'm on the link Yeah exactly if you
got out of this and went back to the menu this she did want to call it for twenty
hour calling on the show at this hour is that yes the single family as opposed to
the two families the mystery to me. Was the American and it's
a little bit of both so. What is this that we're looking at this is one of the
fifty eight you know this is
a tri clips. So this is not part of right now no it isn't but it's the same type of
building as far as what it's going to look like. You know the same side in the same
room same train same windows same doors typically two as opposed to three or four
books and. He had one like that that's
a single family. Thing just the plants themselves just with the fall.
Out of the reason we had to go away the fifty. Wasn't viable project the point.
Was what we got for the way. That. We actually the fifty eight
units we ended up treatment in on that was. The septic. Would be
struck down to four units we get enough aggregate between property. To not have
tree. I guess then on the sketches can you show us like the homes like the parking
and things that nature kind of walk us through that. So you want to go back to the
cycling you want to. Yeah like one who would what would be going where yeah you
know what I would go back to the site for.
This one you know I think and so.
To see
a nice little. Game you know it's wrong the side. Of
the boat. Next one bedroom unit. Right so can you just kind of work with where
we're like over here yes the next twenty one nineteen feet it can use thing on him
down on the yeah right. To send one to you that they are going to be right but.
This unit here and this building and this building that well this is
a duplex one bedroom one either side. To see the events is. Here and here
they're there. Which is the same on this one. The other
which if you want to want to jump to the we can do the what plan lay out that film
and so we can you can kind of see what the label just that we have been here so
twenty one twenty nine hundred that's what we're going to play here OK these are
duplexes credits went into effect the only one bedroom duplexes goes
to these two two bedroom two places and there's only one three bedroom duplex the
other three bedroom is a. Maybe
a unit that is up close to the cul de sac. Is a two bedroom maybe
a unit right you know cul de sac Also there is one building that is
a two better minute and
a three bedroom in it. So that we can offer our couch for twenty five percent of
what is it. You know which one is your floor plan. You know which attachment is the
floor. That other just the applications.
Now. I think that must have been
a just want to run on the other side of the top you've received.
What. Seems to me this is to turn three two crews in to do this actually we need to
reach them remediate the next right. This is the one that's what they'll set. In
a typical. This is just one single force or two one bedroom one.
Two three this is
a. Rare. What might. That
see clearer. Than. That. One.
This is. Serious the. One bedroom eighty eight.
Duplex that was one of the we'll see. The next one slice you see
is these a one bedroom units two stories. There's
a second story first story of so you just said the story. Lottery. Will.
Come in. There this is
a duplex two bedroom. Here in Britain when. They
see the same layout one unit three dash one unit three years to. Create
the still the yet to better of this the first load but. This is
the this is the one building that is a two bedroom three to bed one one side
a three bedroom on the other side. Of
the back entrance to the right there for the best you could think of that. They
would see that you got
a lot better than the other in France to express this is yet three bedroom duplex
is only one of these buildings instances where you know that's the entrance which
is the back door. At the back there in the back of.
The persons are upstairs going back to to she really here. Just the parking lot is
it's big money three of six I think that has the baby's birth paperback so go back
in the site plan.
Oh he that was that was that one you want me to marry Yeah so is the parking is it
all along he pull in and it's all on the the street yeah this is all parking all
along you. See how why this is the road to.
Twenty feet twenty feet. No not including the parking. Enclosed part
yeah I think it's like thirty feet or so that. It was built the forty.
Forty feet. To the full system so that from that from on this point here.
From here here is forty feet and sat. In the park and.
I think that's probably another eighteen foot spot so. Six feet across it's like
fifty feet for us. In the parking that's up in the. Basically in the circle so this
parking around the parking around the circle as well.
Because people had to hop in the question is Is there any more this final note from
anybody else doesn't that take
a break for that. He explained to me why you need to know one hundred twenty five
thousand cubic yards for us it's
a slower seven million dollars ride because the gravel that's being sold is being
used to build profit and it was part of my part make what made viable.
You wouldn't be able to do the project for the whole removing is that you say
financially. So the selling the gravel spinelessness project.
In the. State will. Understand yet the fact.
There is if we were to. Cut the gravel down. We lose you we lose you.
And I basically have to go back to square one. I mean if if that's something you
guys want to condition. That would be
a long process going forward we could make it work but you'd have to condition.
Meaning that. You come up with an elevation and then I figure out how much money
we're going to make off of that we'll figure out how many units we. Have. The
traffic study you referred to that was submitted for. Now is the state.
Condition the traffic. Conditions
a travesty so you still have to stop it. When do you think that will be. I'm really
not worried about passing it they haven't the toxics would get one ten years ago.
And the green you can't use that but for. Forty to house lights then. I'm
sure there's more traffic than welfare that you know but to
a mental disability trapped in this sort of traffic Who are these little brats.
That's the temporary traffic but still it's
a matter for you have you you know we get this up we're not just going to let
trucks was really really all right which I like all my life but I would like to
know something about what that call you maze frequency you've sold me who's to give
the card to set limits of roads and what they can and cannot use because here is
one of the things that we change this time going forward. One company now that is
going to be responsible to all the sites right here and if you will be going to
such and such as yourself can you provide us with the information in there.
Probably get
a lot of get them it was easy to get tickets for they do this every day every day
how they know that's going to keep
a service to. House on but to just see what he wrote how long it will take to
remove that crap right here to us. In. Print
I mean we need fifty if we had started building projects. We would be putting
building on line every forty four. So you will be so say takes two years and we
prove it. Hip hypothetic. You will structure structure for two years of the action
no now will actually start this stuff will we end up having its up after the first
will be. But is that those two years are gravel moved five days
a week for me to see that and how many truckloads
a day. Figure forty trips. With which they consider.
Very nice to see so they'll have some. I mean if these are central here given that
the intersection is not a right angle and Ferry Street is such
a way. That being said though jewelry
a lot using that volume. A lot of it's going very frustrating so right
now
a lot of it's going to give it to you don't do that here just out of fairness Yeah
I believe the whole yes no this got to be all I get that OK but it is really going
to be announcing now it's going up from the street OK Just out of fairness to us
that in detail right here is that five days
a week we should do the sweep if. That's what we're
proposing be different take six months what we could get. The oil but it takes
three weeks it's all night and skip but that's just because we need that we gotta
live in this quarter two thousand. The mass right two thousand six.
Hundred eighty eight units Why is this one up here to take quite
a distance for someone that might have some type of a disability and this was
a little bit closer to this like for that reason why this was so unlike my When it
comes to this one and this one these are both eighty eight to one here these are
the one bedroom. So for the concern is that eighty eight is far removed from
the edge of pavement whereas. These units fairly close in those are very close so
you could take instead of you guys need you you could move it over here. Actually
of three but that it's
a different tone and yet separate design issues little more set yeah I guess is the
reason why we've been moving forward has just been kind of some of that may have
missed. So I mean that. You guys will hear.
From Brian which when we talk about what units you're referring to and for the
audience as well. This unit you know. She was wondering why it couldn't be closer
because these to me are these to irradiate units and they're real close to this but
this one has
a lot for them. Which I don't. Know why we have to protect that by
the foot. And so this one is to as well right now when I'm on the curb to. Help.
But it's just
a question of the. Richest. And
I'm just. Really. So.
I think we need to see. Me personally I want to see she hit the responses to so.
I'm of the town yet and it's too bad I just didn't get I'm not blaming anyone you
know but Brenda leaving right I mean is
a stopgap and so because of his from that I would have questions I just think it's
. Not the best use of time of fun he was questioning him to explain stuff that'll.
Either address it or have questions from there I mean just right if you promise
going to sit down ride. What you can he just talks about some agreements I'd like
to see those agreements to see what he's talking about to invoke the settlement
agreement here Rod to broaden his in his memo talks about certain agreements.
Specifically. The size of the settlement agreement. Here.
That's. What I wrote I think it's OK to say.
Yes and he just referred to in the letter from Mass house in his reference to
a fifteen point one acre separate agreement with the town of Marshall that's when
it gives an agreement to purchase. The abutting first assume the plan
but see that this. Is
a basin of the left hand upper left hand corner there of the basin was partially
constructed on this trans property that was litigation litigation was settled we
ended up with
a nice butt in the option to purchase that. Five acre parcel once turtle
mitigation was done OK I know it's talking the now some time restriction This is
green. And they talked about the one six six your question I think Peter
Greste it was originally that price welcome the top six acres considers recently
subdivided sold off the curb off
a one acre park. So when the fronts on Grove Street. Via the A and R.
Process and sold out for reasons. That I think has been constructed
OK So that's the one acre that is missing. All right. So when he
said that. The letter from mass housing gives the impression that the town of since
changed their position allowing the applicant to combine the five and take the
parcels. That's not what we never thought being combined it being invited but it
was never as letter so next that NO to get. A second home.
That we never added to it so that's why I don't understand what's going to be asked
I don't understand this question because it. For us to believe it was being
acquired for open space and conservation purposes and try to have. So you know
that's your way. Agreement that we had that we would accept it was that attack
having been already created on it. OK now he's just not read the letter he's
talking about agreements and. By the settlement. And the know he's talking to
Franco So just because. We're going back to what I've seen I think we need and you
talked about you had studies. Done people submit doubt address these.
Concerns. In speaking. To Ed A think we had been
a little and vicious cause we had hired it. To the peer review on the twenty ninth
based on his schedule and the sleeping child and yet so as not to be feasible so
and so with the chairman and everyone as your consulting engineer. Had been
contacted
a few weeks ago about this and was given the schedule of all your meetings. But
that's all I got those first time seeing the plans and I guess first time you've
seen some of this thing. I'm seeing two so the good news is I do remember this
project when it was proposed to be
a soccer field and I've made some serious visits out there obviously and we've
talked about it several several meetings about that so I'm very familiar with the
what they area. Issue I still have
a couple of questions I'd like to clarify so. One of our wonderful board members
provided me
a package here. Before I leave for you leave tonight we're going to decide on just
what I'm going to need for starters I don't see any drainage calculations on the
table here that doesn't mean you didn't submit them you just need to have my own
set no one else needs to have it they don't even know it don't don't need that they
need to just you know I just need to have
a set for them for me to understand what your approach is from the general layout
of the project and the general design of the project you're similarly following the
designed to kind of shed off the top and collect on the sides like we did before OK
so I get that. For my edification and clarity the site that
shows all the grading and all the all the new housing is the ten acre parcel is the
five acre parcel just north of that or to the west or to the right of that hill to
the north of that so that one acre parcel that we just mentioned to the right of
that is the one that's over there.
This is the five acre parcel you're right and you now own that or will own that I
know I already know you already own it OK. Tell me but say again the towns but.
That's are OK is it that's the long. Term going as
a agreement to purchase them OK and the area where the detention basins are been
for several years these ones he said that's one time only an hour early like the
sun has an easement for that that on his land CHRIS OK And then the access is
off the ferry street so. Right away OK so good I'm clear about that so let's talk
about natural heritage so as you know that there's this site is the site endangered
species habitat is any of the remember to the right of this if you will looking for
North arrow where you're north they're all very doubtful OK OK So to the east here
of your primary site was near you started to clear years ago when we found out that
it was natural heritage and you stopped was it still doesn't it natural heritage
habitat is any of your present proposed site your ten acre parcel let's call it an
endangered species habitat and it's a consideration that you say again and it was
a consideration not endangered species I'm sorry sorry but under the Natural
Heritage Well RAM Journal and any G.S.T.
Right so have you filed an application for that would been with any ironically
comprehensive permit is what it's called to say they actually we do have one winter
work permit Schimmel all the new fencing we have brought in
a little closer to where the fields were before. So so there are different what I'm
going to ask you guys is what what does that do to impact your project is there
grading is there restoration is there fencing know disturbed habitat signs anything
the same program we had before so I don't remember everything we had before so
forgive me I remember the site I'm familiar what you're proposing but I don't
remember everything but I want to know about it was actually working with a T.S.P.
So you don't have
a permit from them yet have our existing draft private that were made right so you
don't have
a permit for this use yet for this project yet we're trying to amend and replace
the word private for this right wing to work to do what we mean by that we'll have
a demonstration on a ten acre parcel
a five acre parcel OK then you can be in the in
a parcel I soon to the to the state you still own you still own I don't I sold that
that's Oh not that one below it says directly to the east of that this year yes I
don't think so you don't own that OK so. The natural heritage programs still have
jurisdiction which may affect your build ability in certain areas we run into this
another forty B.'s right here in town so you need to get that rules of engagement
figured out before your know we have we've had conversations on what we're doing it
I can't really advise the board to to make
a decision without having that information so they know where you can or cannot
bill I mean I'm make that recommendation for them
a day's work and what you like you see here right now was that we have already got
one went to work for me for all those fancy and the calculations for the OK and
that we were saving and the land that we were building OK So so I think it behooves
you if you would we've got to provide provide the documentation on your winter work
to get to the board so they know what you're allowed to do and see what the what
Natural Heritage Program is saying about what your project supposed to be at
thinking to disclose that OK it's it's an important component this it may direct
what you don't get to do what you can get to actually know Jerry was involved with
. What I got that went to work for. Those What do you know especially for. The
case to tell us what you know let me continue traffic I didn't understand what you
meant by traffic are you doing
a traffic study wait for traffic study what's going on right now it's
a condition from the state that I do OK. I mean you guys want to do something else
in the D.H.
See the letter it says that they have their site approval letter it says Thou shalt
do
a traffic study. In it with regard to that I think they need to be to traffic studies
one based on the the traffic from the units themselves and the other based on the
movement of the temporary grab removal so I I was interested and I know we did this
discussion the last time right and I think I had some time with Attorney Galvin we
were figuring out what made sense for
a number of trips per day and the neighbors were very concerned about that so I was
very concerned about the traffic ability on on very street so I think I could. Why
on going back to that lease that model I just don't remember it was but you said
and this is from your calculations now down I guess and you guys can tell me what
what the answer is forty trips
a day case of twenty trucks in the morning twenty trips in the afternoon type of
thing five days
a week from home many weeks. Well five gets one hundred twenty five two hundred
fifty days
a year taken so they'd be to what it is to win fifty working days and here OK so
a little less than two years followed two years by the time we don't know what size
trucks eighteen will sit and will eighteen rows in some ten let me try actually
trail. Can we have
a truck trip table that by two is only one turn the soccer field will rise and
provide
a team that is going to submit to them Walker said I think we're going to need some
type of traffic stop so so not only not only do we need the traffic study that the
state asked for but I also didn't forget the last time Peter we talked about and I
hired
a consultant from finessing associates to look at the traffic review but we also
talked about a turning lean on one ferry three in widening part of
a very street looked like that was feasible I still have those plans I know what I
still feel so you didn't want that they want to deal with the intersection that
large because it was so I need to search in
a Walgreens. OK Well we were we were obviously concerned about the peak traffic on
a Saturday morning going into the going into the site causing
a problem going north and south and cares Wall Street would rush and meet. With
everyone else so I think I understand that and I just wanted to offer that to the
board of I'm not saying we need that but it was something I'd like to look at yeah
yeah but I think rather than waiting for the period you want to start the ball
rolling getting that done I could I could certainly yeah we can I mean it will have
a copy of that right I mean legend. What we didn't want to have is people blocking
traffic on Ferry Street on Saturday morning going. To the going to the events Yes
OK that's
a different dynamic here not right different dynamic different be close so I guess
I would necessarily disagree with Mr Parker chinos point on that. So I think the
traffic should be obviously looked at. So I'm I'm observing
a few things and I guess I did
a good get contacted I think and this is by no means a
a slight on any of the of the full time staff that were here so we had
a change in staff. And it looks like these plans have been before the board for
some time or least before the town for some time like months September I guess you
submitted. So I told her minutes and temper and it was OK We had
six we're going to settle I think all the factions are heard hearing Yeah OK and we
hope we had here within thirty days in response to under the statute just to open
it would just open test of all right so unfortunately I had you know. I think it
would be certainly reasonable for you to have your engineer submit documents to me
again Daryn and I would go for exactly what the heck I do need that I don't have
and I need to have some sufficient time to do that so what what we had just talked
about was your schedule and I'll just kind of enlighten everybody and and and it
yeah it's all it's all my fault so to speak but in two weeks we're going to go to
a peer review now some of that I could do sure some of that I could do but in two
weeks I have another peer review I'm doing for the town and then tuck it on the
thirtieth. And I have three projects I'm reviewing for them for the planning board
so I've got a party get
a full plate with the holiday next week and so on I think it's not possible for me
to give
a adequate peer review visit with. Mr Procket Cino and make it my own site
visit up to the site Peter and get it all done by the by the by the twenty ninth so
. Chairman and I were talking that perhaps the peer review. Night would be the
thirteenth of December at least you'd be having you have
a comment before that you'd have time to respond to that work on that policy you
have it the week prior. And and the thirtieth of December would be when we would do
it but then we're into. June I don't know if you have another meeting scheduled
before the holiday like
a lot of these things it's mostly we have him for Terry right so I think we can
start in the twenty I mean they're going to give us some information for his plans
right is one of the thing I want to see but and then maybe we can hear
a little bit from you just started on the I mean I had
a little no no question and then no question we could do that so but I should up on
the see if we can finish in the thirtieth maybe some input from the from the very
community in the community and then have
a court hearing it correct. And she will be
a board member with the other one to tell his side. Of the fiction for us.
To get to because originally the second hearing is going to be peer review the an
input from the various town pushes we have some here yet you know in addition to
what they've written OK the fight on the that was reaching the twenty ninth I would
say we. Should probably about thirteen or do it on one of them still.
Let's see what we are playing the field of play. But also what they will you show
us some designs of the homes but. They want
a fifty eight units I'd like to see some architecture designs so one family go look
like what's to family look like you want to see Rent friendly yet.
In which two bedroom The supposed to three bedrooms poster bed and one so. The
Chairman members of the board with some discussion about the twenty foot travel way
come and get so let me tell you my philosophy is that. Typically a two way to
a traffic. Is
a twenty four foot wide travel typically. It certainly can be smaller than that
and traffic engineers will tell you that the theory is you make it smaller it's
more difficult to go at higher speeds and therefore everyone go slower. When you
make
a small driveway people go slower they don't speak to the driveway they go slower
so there's an argument to be made that the twenty foot is adequate in arguing
whether you accept that argument or not as your is it appears up to you I would say
that a twenty foot travel way which
a ten foot lanes is is not unreasonable unreasonably wide enough
not unreadably narrow I should say it would be acceptable what they have here is
eighteen foot long parking spaces and it looks like
a twenty two foot wide aisle twenty but but I heard you say forty. In the first
section so that's eighteen and twenty two No twenty one so it's thirty or so it's
thirty eight so another twenty and twenty OK so it's twenty and twenty and sixty
dot fifty eight and the in a double in
a double wide right OK so. Twenty two feet is what I'm twenty four
feet is also that the standard of the state of the art with with two opposing
parking spaces backing up OK so you can have enough room to circulate twenty two is
. Determined to be relatively acceptable as well twenty I'm not so sure.
Twenty is it's not the end of the world it's just one parking space to be one
person back in all this but with a large with
a large vehicle it may be even more difficult. Technically. You
know on the front of the. But office over the eighty eight units should you put it
why but technically. You could get away the eighteen foot parking spaces too so
you're kind of in the. You know kind in the middle we could be eighteen eighteen
and you get now twenty four between you affectively have effectively have the same
dimensions so to speak in stead of instead of it being sixty four feet from end to
end at sixty. Yeah but. I would I would I would argue that
the ones between the two parking spaces ought to be at least twenty two feet apart
the space would be twenty two feet or. The other ones I think we could. Safely say
would be reasonable circulation because that's just off the cuff and again on the
that's why I asked about whether you had to put berm down on the main axis way
obviously you don't because you're trying to super elevate it sounds like it's and
and if you keep or burn you know you have twenty two foot wide brush. But you have
one foot one for the sub but you could mitigate the twenty foot by putting
a foot or two gravel strip on each side to you could do that so but this moment I
would not I would recommend to the board that twenty feet is acceptable it's not
mounted on completely out of the question driveway which are.
Right down to the taking of those who know what to and that. I think the.
OK We'll talk with I guess that's all I can talk with it to the media guys can
communicate that we've told you NO least from my perspective I would like to see
some architecture renderings address these issues whatever studies are planned but
we have before other boards into us. Well some of those with you know you have
a question I have is. I took
a trip down Farish street few days ago hoping to find
a bridle path that that made that apocryphal road and walk back. I would actually
like to do
a site visit. Everyone. If you can walk that she would have. Just
you. Know well I still I want one I want to do something for the stories they're
like you know just be me. So encourage everyone to do what I've done there I'll go
again but I'm pretty sure that every. Child that will change content
if. You want to. Come From A look at myself
to I'm. A plaything and so many any different types of children things just don't
seem to fit in that area they just don't seem to go with what's going on they are
in the types of posts that I know it's
a different you know Hartnett's and what have you but they just don't seem to get
you planning on submitting something different different styles at all or are you
just going to try to stick with this. Yeah I mean it's for the children. To have
something that you I just I don't I'm not
a fan of these at all I just think that you know down the line the disk into
a plate rowhouses they're just not going to be they just don't seem to fit that
area so I'd like to see something that fits
a little bit better with the area that you're going in there which. I don't think
it is the only one we have to begin to really love to see this from the road. To
stall so I'm. Right I don't think that that matters if anybody's going to see it
from the road or not the people that are living there are going to see it and I I
just don't put my personal point of view I don't think it matches the area so. That
was my question I want I just didn't want it that's
a Free Thought I mean if it's not what's going to try to keep everything as you
know it was possible to feed the patient as well before we. Start changing stuff
along the way you know what recently states they can fix anything. So we can expect
. Once we got to if you that's what we figured OK now it's time that well. If I
may say I've changed everything. Bob did you have
a question. Here what what financial.
Arrangements are made to escrow the money so if you would have the funds to
construct the project. Some shopping so what's the arrangements. How
much would what is your projected revenue for. One year and it will.
How much is the total good will hold all the foreigners what if there are thousands
it's going to generate one point eight million. So what is the proposing to put one
point eight million dollars with so through
a savings bank will be actually building the site out as we go and then once we
have it once we have no but who's going to hold the money as it comes in from the
sale so that gets the president is going to be vested right back into the brush you
see we're in agreement in place for the bank to do that. Right now no you want that
we're going to need it if I think the town with the debt to know that you know the
projects going to expect fully you know that you're not going to take the money
from your thermal project and. Spend out for good purposes
a bad person put another million dollars in to make
a million A then throw away the well you know to me and look be satisfied with just
doing the earth it will work and the money that you'd make and maybe this project
isn't viable and I'm just trying to find out you know if there is
a design right now to get
a viable price I think we're going to build but no I don't fully agree with but if
the money were to be expended and weren't available that be no forty big project
then we would have provided you want to earth removal permit with the project in
the end and that's what I my concern is. So that we can get
a copy the agreement in place with the bank to assure that that money's going to.
Be. The people who got it could mean
a lot of it's going to be put in its equity like will be like engineering skin to
be this going to be
a lot more engineering done between now and then traffic study. Will be just
the plan designs this was
a good sort of zero thirty thousand troops of the money on project related expenses
so yeah I was concerned that to the extent they. Did everything everything will be
accounted for so that you can see whether it's SO that because it will be spent on
the project. And dying for died that what we take it will. Be paying for stuff for
the project so I mean will there be
a million A at some job bank probably not but will all that money be accounted for
for plans. Anything else that we have to do I mean that the good in the government
is not at all you want to do the right here for the time because you're just to
make sure that there's
a mechanism in place pretty sure that the money that you drive it's
a profit will be spent on Iraq and struck the project right and those will be left
with the project in the end and not just the sanctity of that money to the for so
you're thinking some kind of independent agency perhaps
a bank or someone placing the best that it's got so the same bank might read to act
as an intermediary. And producer on this for
a second to step one design question on the one that may be. There.
To make just
a little bit here. Get real good it just may know him very impressive
builder then. I thought Jerry has already gone with this I don't know you so here
sixty six. Right there is one. That's an interesting phrase I understand but you
suit it all you can paint your right here's here's your sixty six now pick it up
over here so. He didn't carry it over is that just could all be gone he is going to
be sixty six to sixty six here. Yet existing great so it's you're just not going to
touch it this is going to be cut it's all going to be sixty six right away I'll be
sixty six so we get to sixty six here. And it'll tie into that great so this
will be flat and yet here. You have permission to remove her from the town property
or that your practice my private OK. So you self. Right it's that you're
supposed to sell it fresh right or left are you getting an earth removal permit for
the five acre parcel or is that subsumed in what you're asking for here that's it's
well part of this. OK So let's agree that that's a color that's
a different color actually that's also we're not really
a seventy three so long as it is and that's fine it requires an earth removal
permit to move any material off the five acre parcel but if that's included in this
permit then that is this war grant that if that land is included in the in the in
the other case it isn't. It's part of evidence yet it's also part of getting there
is it just just five acre parcel including the application I don't know it's not
included in the application so it needs to see it needs to be put on the C.B.S.
Or else you have to go to this one for an Earth removal from which you can do. I
mean you don't have to do it here I just want to die so I mean that we made the
grade and it's part of the appetite restoration on that side of that fence is part
of that terrorist operation so that's part of the project so you have an old.
Permit from natural heritage that requires habitat restoration after you build
something and we're going to build something right which is now changing your back
before them to amend it sounds like which is all the right thing but I guess we
should get
a copy of that just so you understand what direction you'd be given credit. We can
obviously get
a member of M C T's you get from there and you can get in and. Get
the latest and greatest updates from them on where we stand on everything so that
that way it's not OK old stuff that we haven't yet worked from it says that. OK.
I think you know what you need to get us.
Going on when I start off with addressing. You have any you will get your.
Hopes up. That most of us. I don't mean I'd raise
some of them but I think if you go through. Some of the concerns those will be
addressed I just circled them when I was taking that and it worked and I broke down
what I heard there was anything else you are looking for the drainage calculations
for those already in you know just get in the Congress need to cook you know have
a look at putting this traffic study on the units and the traffic study for the
gravel removal you need the information of the National Heritage. And you need
agreement with the bank for the escrow of the funds. And then maybe the play needs
to be revised to show the portion of the five acres for
a salute what you're going to do we're right in Lhasa architectural renderings for
the homes. One bedroom two bedroom. One to.
Move the street. Which is the chair. In the
head will start I guess you can. Hear stuff when I think of
a Tony I got going through a plumber a few so far what I'll probably do is
a work session with Baron and go to his office me just the pages circle to meet
somewhere just to pay. If you go through it like that for if you find that to be
very productive I can just you know. I mean there's
a lot to absorb already but not. For me to absorb tonight it looks like to write.
To explain to the audience where it's been in. Some explain
we've set up
a schedule the first meeting of three hearings for tonight we're going to hear from
the applicants then we're going to go to the peer review and then we're going to go
to
a question from. The from the audience. But
we're going to try to stay on the same schedule. But we need to hear more from the
applicant because of some different plans that need to be submitted. We're going to
start peer review on the twenty ninth who are not going to finish it probably
finish that on the thirteenth and we're going to start your questions. But I expect
we're going have
a fourth hearing. This often happens in this but we're going to hear from you
whether we finish on the thirteenth the next turn we will hear from you so we're
still going for the twenty nine. Seven thirty. And.
Then we'll start to hear from you guys in the in the thirteen but we're still in
the information gathering process so. That.
We don't make a decision and there was
a comment before. The system has been made yet we're in the information gathering
stage right now as you can see from tonight's hearing we still have received all
the information the decision has been made I can speak for myself and certainly for
the other one members on this application. You really don't get into that till
after these are close so I make
a motion that we. Know to continue to assert continue to be sorry but that is
just please point of information. A little board member just one car that I you
know I'm I know this is just
a second. Peter which is just would you explain that the probably It seems like we
have
a bigger crowd here tonight could you just explain the project briefly couldn't know
what it is it's
a rental versus ownership. You know. How one of the rental agreed you don't get the
feel of these units be affordable in perpetuity What's a breakdown just
a quick summary as I said it seems like
a bigger crowd than last time and just to kind of recap what this is if you don't
mind there is more units that are going to be built. Twenty five percent of them
will be what will. They this complex will stay as affordable complex in
perpetuity. It's to all duplex homes.
Far as I can see you know it's two story in some single story homes. No different
than what's already in the neighborhood. It's no great location as
far as I can see. And somebody's coming for all the units being.
A tribute to the fort to the housing of a two hundred percent thank you to
a perk means hundred percent of your cold right for sale you know it's only twenty
five percent of your that's all right but they're only qualifying their. Portable
in perpetuity. It's kind of hard to you can't even get this once or twice.
As far as apartments go
a. Half to five years. That's housing will come back and reassess the
old place. If they want to do updates. Refinancing and
don't have to know you take
a project to support you not. Humans. And
with that genetically
a fool that I have to stay it's just not. The forty billion
a year is here out there on the quantum it's from the state in terms of escrow and
money for repairs to keep this project. There in the in
a. On. The.
Right. Now there's a couple hands raised in
a just moment pressing what what sir just on the procedure and where we're going
out not just you know
a lot of research for him and he said we report the third party and.
Obviously they never get you. To probably be after the holidays spent quite candid
with you I just just honest to schedule something. Will schedule something
probably good the next hearing are we are we getting the peer review is because I
know if we had hired Mr Peshitta we had spoken to him and then speaking with them
our schedules to invitations for his schedule so it's just. Very difficult
for. That hearing will happen and that is what I am.
Really at work here because I think they know him. And. Have the
Hear hear it and then start making nice to see really good because we haven't
heard that the peer reviewed we're going to hear more facts was there sit down and
you start I still live no time to consider those facts. Not correct you were
started in the twenty ninth the period you would have finished in the thirteenth
start your questions then would have another night to finish your questions. So
they'll be two nights to do that because that's that's exactly what I want to avoid
is that correct I don't hate Here's something for the first time and I say we saw
it in five minutes flat and it's thank you to say listen here if you're in
a plane and possibly take but no no no OK you know where to start to cut you
in the twin I finished in the thirteenth starting questions of depending on what
time of night it is and it's ten o'clock at night all due respect we're not
a star watch so. Playing for information would be easier for everyone
if we actually saw a three D.
Model of the whole report playing. This I mean what we're going here
and we see it here but when you actually see the plan and see the three D.
Model in place relative to. How close is this the ferry relative
to how close are these two adjacent neighbors it makes
a lot more sense for people can understand it let me. Look at consumer.
Research since maybe. You will get one. Of.
The of. The. First time we're kind of standing.
Here there's more people here tonight right and this is usually our spot sometimes
we open up we'll see. If that in that room is being used to open up these but we
don't we can't have nice walk to everything that we can't go to the high school
that. So called starter people. Are still.
Still. Sizes of the school. It's OK.
I will pick them consideration. So I'm going to make
a motion that we continue to hear into the twenty second of those in favor by
that's the only no. This could be no public other than the website you know they've
seen in the mail twenty ninth OK. Thank you. Alec for
everything yeah I think it's make it we had to make it and make
a motion to it by Mr second. And I think if either of us. Guys who get
a call that we got
a couple minutes me back OK we have. Seven me minutes
that we have done that I want to ask for approval for one so we have as one of the
records May twelfth January twentieth August twenty fifth remember twenty second
November tenth two thousand and fifteen there were nine and. I mean
November first two thousand and sixteen is on the commotion and we proved all seven
of those set for Scribner's airs to hear second time for us every. Week and
now. Almost what. We got. From Marianne Brogan
this was something we stench of her special permanent I don't know if you guys mean
this I remember her yeah she has this was a and he's not
a very complicated one she's asking for six months extension because we have she
has to do pile drivers strong words up because it's backlog she can't get
a month I don't see an issue with this it's going to expire in February of two
thousand and seventy. From
a commotion in the grant her request for an extension second to last favor I write
I just realized that Marcus I'm here tonight. To see
a man aren't sitting on the forty it's going to get
a listen would you go with you don't want so speaking on the twenty ninth we have
a couple decisions you want to do on the first night as Nancy's first night we meet
a little early because I can't sit on one of them but I was going to actually ask
why do we not meeting. So why do we need to do to well as you know maybe that in
the future but I think on the twenty ninth like to me at seven. Point three on the
twenty ninth those decisions given all the other money was amazing to me an example
for you know that we when I first on the board we started seven and there was
a few guys from Boston and the never make it here. Are struggle and again they
would change it to seven thirty and. That's one so do the system to seven
and seven thirty start to be correct so that we have to sell their business in here
although you have to know which ones were going to be looking for the notice so it
was so yes Andy had taken in C Yeah Nancy the seven surfaces so these are the ones
that we all just seven over here made for you know we can do it we know but I mean
I think the one that I'm often what is this moment yeah CARMODY I can't do it just
to the meeting itself and then we can do whatever we want if you know what we have
felt over your foot if you have to have those this anyway I guess you have to do OK
with their opening or that's
a yes no don't you know sort of thing you see John that you do it yes I understand
it kind of what we can accept and this is the end he can take it off because. What
he said and so I will make you think that's
a comic emotion that. We journey here second second day almost.